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Debatewise debate DEBATE: GEORGE BUSH IS A GREATER THREAT TO WORLD PEACE THAN KIM JONG-IL

A Guardian survey revealed that Britons, Canadians, Mexicans and even Israelis think George Bush is a greater threat to world peace than Kim Jong-il. Are they right?





Debatewise debateGEORGE BUSH IS A GREATER THREAT TO WORLD PEACE THAN KIM JONG-IL


George Bush has started more wars


Kim Jong-il has not started wars in other countries, Bush has. At least 100,000 have died in Iraq and there have been more in Afghanistan. And this without the various covert actions the CIA is responsible for around the world. These actions have consequences. Kill a father and you make the son an enemy for life. These people then threaten countries throughout Europe and Asia in order to make their point.

Bush has fought wars in order to spread freedom, not restrict it as Kim Jong-il would. Who could argue Afghanistan is would be better under the Taliban or Iraq under Saddam Hussein? Kim Jong-il would make subjects of us all, he’s the short-arsed bully who gets away with despicable behaviour because no-one dares stand up to him.


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Debatewise debateGEORGE BUSH IS A GREATER THREAT TO WORLD PEACE THAN KIM JONG-IL


George Bush has more power


Kim Jong-il is a dictator inside his own country only. Bush has the means to be far more destructive and has proven himself willing to be so on more than one occasion. Bush owns nukes, has threatened people with nukes and comes from a country with a long history of invading others and destabilising democracies.

The only reason Kim Jong-il has not threatened more people outside North Korea is because Bush hasn’t let him. The only reason Kim Jong-il doesn’t have nukes (or is decommissioning them) is because of American influence. Bush is calming down a very inflammatory region of the world and as such is making the world a safer place.


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Debatewise debateGEORGE BUSH IS A GREATER THREAT TO WORLD PEACE THAN KIM JONG-IL


George Bush harms more people outside his own country


Bush’s power to destroy extends to the entire world; Kim could hurt South Korea and a few countries around them – but that’s about it. There is no comparison between the two in terms of destructive capability and unfortunately, little to choose between them when it comes to acting like a dictator.

The world has not experienced any major conflict on the scale of WWII for more than sixty years because of American power – and their restraint in using it. Bush may command the one world superpower but he has been remarkably constrained in using the force at his disposal for his own means. Instead of seeing Bush as a threat we should thank him for keeping the peace.


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Debatewise debateGEORGE BUSH IS A GREATER THREAT TO WORLD PEACE THAN KIM JONG-IL


Bush is crazy


He cheated his way into power, not once but twice. He has said that God has told him things what more proof do you need, this man is crazy

There is no proof that he "cheated" his way into power, and hence that is an extreme allegation. He was elected by a democratic society. Roughly a third of the world beleive in the Christian god – does that mean they are all crazy as well?


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Debatewise debateGEORGE BUSH IS A GREATER THREAT TO WORLD PEACE THAN KIM JONG-IL


The class that Bush represents does not care about ordinary people


The noble concept of ‘Democracy Spreading’ has been misused and abused by the Bush posse to set up a platform favorable to the growth of an elite class of American economic interests in areas of the world where these interests could not have received influence without US military action.
The Iraq War has killed over 655,000 Iraqi citizens, made 4 Million homeless and has resulted in a fractured society on the verge of, if not already in, civil war. More than 4,000 US soldiers have died, over 95,000 permanently seriously mentally or physically injured and the US economy is now at its worst state in living memory.
The reasons sighted for war in Iraq were all hyped up by the Bush administration, and all of them have been false.
1 – Iraq has Weapons of Mass Destruction. False
2 – Saddam funds terrorists, including Al-Qaeda. False
3 – Saddam was connected to 9/11. False
USA TODAY reported that before the invasion of Iraq 69% of American citizens polled believed that Saddam Hussein was PERSONALLY responsible for 9/11. A Zogby Poll of active military personnel in Iraq showed that over 64% of US troops thought the reason they were in Iraq was to ‘get Saddam for committing 9/11’.
The Center of Public Integrity issued a report called ‘The War Card’ which sighted all of the Bush Administrations deliberately false and misleading statements made in congress, the press, public statements and interviews from the days after 9/11 up until the Iraq War with relation to drumming up support of the conflict and found over 935 instances of ‘DELIBERATE AND INTENTIONALLY MISLEADING STATEMENTS’.
Further, Congressman Wexman commissioned a report for the Senate entitled ‘Iraq on the Record’ which sighted over 235 of misleading statements.
Read misleading statements as Lies. All of these are lies, and lies which have cost lives.
Furthermore, the value of American Dollar has weakened, the economy is near if not already in a recession and the average family in America is worse off than before under Bush. At the same time, corporate profits for the super rich elite are at an all time high. The ‘revolving door’ of the military industrial complex has given great profits to the people involved in the arms industry. This is not a co-incidence.
This President has presided over Katrina; which can only be described as a disaster; Enron, which can only be described as a national scandal; further, he and his policies have lowered America’s status in the world through his extreme, unnecessary, cruel, inhumane and ineffective treatment of ‘enemy combatants’ in Guantanamo Bay.
In two full terms as President he has not captured Osama Bin Laden, and refused his handover from the Taliban in October 2001. Six months after 9/11 he was focusing in on Saddam Hussein and had stated he was ‘truly not concerned about Bin Laden’. Instead, his family and their buddies have got extremely rich from the Wars in the middle east, fought under the banner of a ‘War on Terror’ – a war which is un-winnable.
Let us be frank about Kim Jong Il – we do not know enough about him. What we do know is that he has not invaded ANY other country nor THREATENED to do so. Nor has he lied his way into war with a sovereign nation and temporarily convinced his people that it was in response for an event unrelated to that country (9/11).
As a Neo-conservative, Bush believes that it is acceptable to have a ‘noble myth’ which unifies a nation and encourages social cohesion. What this Straussian philosophy means in laymans terms is that he believes it is ‘ok’ to mislead the public and lie to them so long as the population at large bond together and accept the myth, aka, its ok to lie to get what you want.
I could go on….



Debatewise debateGEORGE BUSH IS A GREATER THREAT TO WORLD PEACE THAN KIM JONG-IL


Kim Jong-il has harmed more of his own people


Bush has harmed just as many people as Kim Jong-il, if not more. His policies have seen people, children and the mentally disabled, executed. He is directly responsible for the appalling levels of infant mortality rates. His policy on gun crime causes the death of tens of thousands of people each year and his favouritism for organisations such as Halliburton and Blackwater have caused the deaths of many more. Just because Bush isn’t overtly killing people doesn’t mean they’re not dying as a result of what he’s done.

If he’s willing to subject his own people to torture for even the most basic forms of criticism what do you think he’ll do to the world when he has nuclear weapons. George Bush is constrained by Congress and the Senate as well as American and world opinion. There is no way Bush could get away with what Kim Jong-il already has.


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Debatewise debateGEORGE BUSH IS A GREATER THREAT TO WORLD PEACE THAN KIM JONG-IL


Kim Jong-il is crazy


There are a great many arguments to say that Bush is equally crazy. He certainly acts as though the world revolves around him and does not seem at all interested in responding to criticism. What’s worse, is that because Bush has the world in his pocket everyone will go along with his wishes simply because they are afraid of retribution – or want to remain in his favour. Therefore, he can act unilaterally even if he gets the overt support of other countries.

Any person with statues a hundred feet high and who forces schoolchildren to sing his name every day is demonstrably crazy. He has a greatly over-stated view of his own power and as such would not hesitate before imposing force on South Korea or any other country he so wishes. He is the only ‘Stalinist’ leader left on the planet, and is the sole leader of a one party state, and as Lord Acton famously stated ‘Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely’. Bush is the President of a constitutional democracy and cannot act unilaterally. Kim Jong-il can do whatever he so wishes with impunity.


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Debatewise debateGEORGE BUSH IS A GREATER THREAT TO WORLD PEACE THAN KIM JONG-IL


Kim Jong-il deals with terrorists


Bush destabilises democracies in order to further the interests of the USA. He’ll threaten countries overtly – unlike the covert actions of Kim Jong-il. The Syrian nuclear facility recently destroyed by Israel was of North Korean construction. The one-part state may have given up its own nuclear program, but clearly now merely exports it to other ‘rogue states’. America does not create terrorists, though some choose to use terrorism against her. And let’s remember, people would not want to fight a power like America unless they had to for their own survival or were so incensed as to be immune to the consequences.

Dictators like Kim Jong-il have no compunction about selling their nuclear secrets and material to whoever is willing to pay. He will provide shelter and support for terrorists plotting against the west. He’ll work with other countries such as Iran to further destabilise the west. Kim Jong-il wants to threaten our democracies, Bush wants to preserve them.


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