Vote totals:
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No:
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Neutral:
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DEBATE: GOD - MADE MAN OR MANMADE?
GOD - MADE MAN OR MANMADE?
The Bible Nonsense
Time and time again over the course of history the religious authorities have had to admit being wrong when science has proved their beliefs incorrect.
Following the Bible, from Adam and Eve, to Noah, to King Jacob, we can calculate that the book claims our planet to be approxiametely 6,000 years old. Science has proved that our planet is in fact 4,5 billion years old. So if the bible gets it wrong from the very first page, why credit it with any factual events?
In the old testamente it is claimed that the Pharaoh had couple of thousand jews incarcerated, and when the self proclaimed god refused to obey Moses classical line "Let my people go!", the "real" God was so infuriated that he cast a ten day spell on Egypt, amongst which were
- All water in Egypt turn to blood so all the fish died
- Insects attack Egypt
- Darkness for three days
- First born egyptian child dies (that’s a mercyfull god)
First of all, there is NO, NONE, ZERO archeological or historical evidence of any jews incarcarated in Egypt at that time, or even that a guy named Moses ever existed. But what really confuses me is this:
If God went through those lenghts for couple of thousand jews, where was he when SIX MILLION of them were being gassed to death by the Third Reich???
In terms of factuality and science, the Bible is not more worth than the recycled paper it is written on. It’s an article of faith, not to be taken literally. There are more inconsitensies in the bible than in an Alien Abduction Conspiracy Theory. Yet people who believe in it, like to claim it for a factual scripture.
The belief in the Bible doesn’t make any one a good person. Christians 150 years ago were pro slavery, but today most of them are against it. Both sides used the Bible as a reference. Has the word of God changed over this period? Well, no! People have just evolved and become more aware and empathetic.
The Bible is filled with moronic claims like the examples given above, the list just goes on and on.
So my question is, from a moral/scientificial/historical aspect, what is the point of the bible?
"Christians 150 years ago were pro slavery, but today most of them are against it. Both sides used the Bible as a reference. Has the word of God changed over this period? Well, no!"
You are correct, the Bible has not changed. But it can be misread. Christians 150 years ago found passages in the Bible, which they misinterpreted to justify what they were doing. The message of the Bible is one of a God who loves his people, so why would it justify slavery? Answer: it doesn’t.
Plus, people put the Bible onto paper. People are fallible. They can get things wrong, or misinterpret things. It is wholly possible that the Bible’s inconsistencies are down to people not understanding or forgetting events when they came to writing them down.
"The belief in the Bible doesn’t make any one a good person."
No one ever said that when you believe in God you suddenly become a good person, although I believe that if you TRULY believe in God, you will want to try to become a good person. But this isn’t something that will happen over night, we have to work at it.
As to creation, which I believe you hint at when you say "Time and time again over the course of history the religious authorities have had to admit being wrong when science has proved their beliefs incorrect."
Firstly, there is no concrete proof that this belief is wrong. The Big Bang theory is just that. A theory. Yet many people take it to be the fact. And the bible is full of metaphors. The ‘7 days’ isn’t necessarily an actual 7 days as we understand it. It is a period of time. And God, being God, could easily have set the Big Bang into motion, and put evolution into motion. Why do science and religion have to be mutually exclusive options?
"So my question is, from a moral/scientificial/historical aspect, what is the point of the bible?"
The point of the Bible is to tell everyone the story of God, Jesus and God’s people. It may not be flawless, due to the people who were scribes, but it contains truth. It is to tell you the story so that you may choose whether or not to believe it. I choose to believe it and you don’t. I say, it’s your loss.
GOD - MADE MAN OR MANMADE?
Limitations of human understanding
Just because we can’t directly percieve something, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Just as we were once oblivious to the fact that electromagnetic fields exist, as do air molecules, as do the moons of Jupiter – we could be oblivious to a whole medley of things that are not immediately perceptible to human senses.
Humans just can’t have complete and perfect knowledge of things existing. This is due to our limitations. Dogs have a heigtened sense of smell and eagles have a heightened sense of vision – yet these species are lacking in other faculties such as the intelligence of humans; similarly humans are lacking in the abilites that they have. This shows that we are limited by our senses and can’t fathom the existence of things outside our sphere of sense perception.
Therefore, it is possible that God exists without us being able to ‘see’ him.
GOD - MADE MAN OR MANMADE?
The idea of ‘creation’
A computer, a watch, a table, a pencil, a building – what do they all have in common? They have all been created, planned by the human mind and designed by the hands. Similarly, we can argue that every object that exists has been made, built, fashioned by a great designer.
If humans can make robots, and robots can make other objects by the command of the human, why is it impossible to consider the possibility that humans were also created, and are living their lives due to their Creator’s wish?
A human designs a car that can only function with the presence of fuel – and he regularly provides it with that. Similarly, this Designer of men has not only created men, but has provided plenty of resources for food on Earth, so that his creation will nourish itself and continue to live.
GOD - MADE MAN OR MANMADE?
Consequences
Every action has a consequence. Every action IS a consequence of a prior act. Thus, scientists have sought to determine our roots, the origins of the Universe, the ‘IT’ that started all of this. If we accept the rational occurence of action and reaction, and try to conclude that there is a Source that nudged the first domino piece of physical events; naturally the question will be brought up – who created God? Logically, there has to be a beginning that is devoid of any beginning, something eternal, something beyond the boundaries of time and space that has a consciousness which caused the existence of the domain of the CREATED. This timeless, dimensionless Being is called God.
